The latest appearance of the (sometimes) richest man in the world joe rogan experience It had everything: flying cars, talk of an AI apocalypse, and a side of conspiracy. For three hours, he moved from promises of airborne Teslas to claims that the OpenAI whistleblower was murdered, claiming he would never take his own life and that empathy is overrated.
Musk and Rogan discussed recent conversations with Tucker Carlson and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. Musk referenced the death of OpenAI whistleblower Suteru Balaji, saying the incident “looks like a murder.” He listed suspicious details, including cut wires from a surveillance camera, bloodstains in two rooms, a wig found at the scene and a food delivery left shortly before his death.
“He ordered DoorDash right before his alleged suicide, which seems unusual,” Musk said. “It’s like, ‘I’m going to order pizza, but on second thought I’m going to kill myself.'” That’s a very rapid shift in mindset. ”
Musk and Altman co-founded OpenAI in 2015, but later parted ways over its direction. Since then, Musk has launched xAI and filed multiple lawsuits against Altman and OpenAI, alleging that the company violated its nonprofit charter through its relationship with Microsoft and attempted to steal corporate data from xAI.
Musk took a moment during the debate to stress that he would never commit suicide. “I never committed suicide,” he said, adding that even if reports claim otherwise, people should not believe them.
A flying Tesla?
He also discussed new developments at his company. Musk said Tesla plans to debut a new Roadster by the end of 2025, and that the vehicle will include “crazy technology.” He said the car could fly, calling it “crazier than all the James Bond cars combined.”
“My friend Peter Thiel once thought that there should be flying cars in the future, but we don’t have flying cars,” he said. “If Peter wants a flying car, I think we should be able to buy it.”
SpaceX and Starbase
Musk also mentioned SpaceX’s Starbase launch site in Texas, which was incorporated as a city in May, and said the company currently supplies about 90 percent of all mass sent into orbit from Earth.
“You don’t often hear people say, ‘Hey, we built a city,'” Musk said. “In the old days, a startup would be about getting a bunch of people together and saying, “Okay, let’s build a city.” Literally, that’s what startups used to be.”
He also said SpaceX aims to achieve complete rocket reuse within a year to reduce launch costs by a factor of 100.
AI and the “wake mind virus”
Regarding artificial intelligence, Musk said AI systems need to be “truth-seeking” to avoid political bias. He used the phrase “woke mind virus” to describe what he considered to be an ideological influence on some models.
“Let’s say you tell an AI that diversity is most important, and it becomes omnipotent. And you also tell her that there is nothing worse than misgendering. At some point, if you ask her which is worse, ChatGPT and Gemini, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner, or a global thermonuclear war where everyone dies, she’ll say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner. Even Caitlyn Jenner wouldn’t agree with this,” Musk said.
He said his company’s chatbot, Grok, treats human life equally and predicted that AI and robotics would eventually replace all jobs, creating a “universal high income” society where work is optional. Musk said government-run AI could help manage U.S. debt and administrative tasks.
Despite his optimism about AI, Musk has advocated on various occasions for a moratorium on AI and superintelligence development.
buy twitter
Musk also talked about his acquisition of Twitter (now X) in 2022 and the disruption it caused.
“I bought Twitter because it was causing destruction on a civilizational level. I tweeted at the time that this was Wormtongue for the world. lord of the ringsThere, they whisper terrible things to the king, and the king ends up believing things that aren’t true,” Musk said.
Musk said Twitter had fallen under the control of what he called the “woke mob” and claimed they were spreading a nihilistic, anti-civilizational “mind virus” around the world.
“The results of that mind virus can be seen on the streets of San Francisco and downtown looks like a zombie apocalypse. This is terrible. We don’t want the whole world to become a zombie apocalypse,” he said. “Essentially, they were imposing this very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on the world, and it was causing a lot of damage.”
The future of XChat and AI
Musk mentioned an upcoming encrypted messaging feature called XChat, which uses peer-to-peer encryption and is designed as a standalone app, which he said he “hopes to release in the next few months.”
“Our goal with XChat is to replace what has traditionally been Twitter’s DM stack with a fully encrypted system where you can send text messages, send files, and make voice and video calls. I would say this is the least secure of all messaging systems,” he said.
Looking to the future, Musk said traditional smartphones will disappear and be replaced by “edge node” devices that communicate between local hardware and cloud servers, generate real-time video and music, and serve as interfaces for AI systems that eliminate the need for operating systems and apps.
“You can have everything through AI. Whatever you can come up with or the AI can predict what you want, it will show you. That’s my prediction of how things will end up,” he said. “It’s probably going to take about five or six years. Almost everything will be run through AI. Within five or six years, probably sooner, most of what people consume will be AI-generated content, music and videos.”
